What would Juniper customers gain in moving to Juniper’s SDN?
Hoff: With SDN, you’re moving the control plane outside the box. When you move the control plane, you have network function virtualization. With SDN, you implement and add additional services, Layer 4 and above, to program a set of network or security devices to interact with other networks and services. In the past, we’ve stacked physical boxes on top of each other on cable. It’s fundamentally a new model.
Linn: We’re leveraging Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) as the control plane. In our SDN strategy, we try hard to abstract the network as a service. It’s to take advantage in the cloud, to spin up a new revenue-generating service in software, free from physical restraints of boxes. For example, Google, Facebook and Amazon are mostly using BGP in their data centers for highly distributed workloads.
So what are some of the security implications in this type of SDN?
Hoff: If the control plane gives me access to all switches, all routers, all firewalls, it could wipe out everything! But the goal of SDN is better security that’s more automated and faster, a catalog of security services that can chain in ways.
Linn: The main point is they still have need for compliance and security policies, set policies for different tenant groups.
So what’s the Contrail security model?
Linn: With the Controller, we can insert service chaining, a virtual SRX. There’s the notion of the service template in the Contrail UI — firewall as a service, NAC [network access control] as a service, [anti-distributed denial of service] as a service. You create a secure instance. For a virtual firewall service, you apply an image. Before, you were locked into a physical VLAN architecture.
Hoff: Service chaining isn’t linked to software instantiation, there’s nothing precluding you service chaining to hardware. For us, this is a way of integrating software and hardware. Part of the Juniper SDN strategy is some things won’t be done in software.
So how proprietary is this?
Linn: We’ve been accused of being proprietary and closed. But we put Contrail into open source.
Hoff: We took our SDN system and open sourced it, in order to build and extend the platform.
Some of the SDN security ideas you’ve presented are similar to those from VMware, such as its NSX initiative for security. Do you regard Juniper as competing with VMware in this regard?
Linn: From an overlay perspective, they’re similar. But Juniper also announced a partnership with VMware in the last few months.
Hoff: VMware is the dominant player in virtualization for large enterprises, but operationally, they need the support in underlying switch and router capability. Juniper signed up to support NSX.
So what is the adoption of Contrail now?
Linn: About 30 customers are validating the technology.